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Monday, October 31, 2005

Das handy (el celular).


In certain spaces of Lima and the remainder of Peru, is common to listen in the bakery : sell me a pitipan (allusion to the french : petit baguette: small bread of sharp extremes) and, in informal chats: okey, olrait (of the english: all right: all well). Some words as ojala (I hope, arabian, with the same meaning), have been inserted, with force in the Peruvian routine language. The latin american TV also imposes idioms: cachay (chilenism), laburo (work, argentine), órale mi cuate (you pray him my twin, mexican). The Peruvian linguist Martha Hildebrandt, says that the word metro (meter: measure of length), changed to trome, in Peru, step to signify in the popular slang, measure of efficiency: he is a trome: he is very capable. Out of our territory, are acquaintances the singular idioms of the creole Haitian (French, more African popular incorporations) and the originating of the spanglish: voy a tomar un break, http://www.elcastellano.org/spanglis.htm , Maria tiene un baby w bien cute, mi boss me pago con with cash, el agto esta en el ruffo, etc. Great polemics exists to this respect, because the educators of the tongue foresee degradations and even extinctions of certain languages.

To this respect the journalist of the BBC: Misha Glenny, reports us that the words insertions phenomenon and/or bad translations is expanded swift by Europe on account of the expansion of the European Union. The Germans say: das handy (phone cell), last not least, instead of last but least, without ways of modifying they existing expressions hammered by the custom and the use. Alone scandinavian and Dutch speak a good English because according to Misha, the American opera soaps, trasmitted by their TV, lack oral translations and, subtitles. It does little Gabriel Garcia Márquez, http://sololiteratura.com/ggm/marquezzienannos.htm , dared to propose in a session of writers, the elimination of certain grammatical rules, inside them the excessive points and commas. The globalization is proposing the obvious thing, that the communication as transmission of ideas, does not need to be chained to specific features. What imports in the routine language is the transmission of concepts in efficient and simple form, not interesting a lot, if for it mixtures of words of different languages are employed, figures by completing, sounds, gestures, etc.

Das handy(el celular).
En ciertos espacios de Lima y el resto del Perú, es común escuchar en las panaderias :véndame pitipan (alusión al petit pan francés: pan pequeño de extremos agudos) y, en charlas informales : okey, olrait (del inglés :all right :todo bien) .Algunas palabras como ojalá (árabe, con la misma significación), han sido insertadas, con fuerza en el lenguaje cotidiano peruano. La TV latina también impone modismos : cachay (chilenismo), laburo (argentino), órale mi cuate (mexicano). Dice la lingüista peruana Martha Hildebrandt, que la palabra metro(medida de longitud), al ser invertida a trome, en el Peru, paso a significar en el argot popular, medida de eficiencia : es un trome :es muy capáz. Fuera de nuestro territorio, son conocidos los singulares modismos del creole haitiano (francés, más incorporaciones populares africanas) y los provenientes del spanglish : voy a tomar un break, http://www.elcastellano.org/spanglis.html, Maria tiene un baby bien cute, my boss me pagó con cash, el gato está en el ruffo,etc Existe gran polémica al respecto, por que los académicos de la lengua preveen degradaciones y hasta extinciones de ciertos idiomas.

Al respecto el periodista de la BBC : Misha Glenny, nos informa que el fenómeno de inserciones de palabras y/o malas traducciones se expande raudamente por Europa a causa de la expansión de la Unión Europea. Los alemanes dicen : das handy (celular), last not least en lugar de last but least, sin que existan modos de modificar estas expresiones martilladas por la costumbre y el uso. Solo escandinavos y holandeses hablan un buen inglés porque según Misha, las telelloronas americanas, trasmitidas por su TV, carecen de traducciones orales y, subtitulos. Hace poco Gabriel Garcia Márquez, http://sololiteratura.com/ggm/marquezzienannos.html, se atrevió a proponer en una sesión de literatos, la eliminación de ciertas reglas gramaticales, dentro de ellas los excesivos puntos y comas. La globalización está proponiendo lo obvio, que la comunicación como trasmisión de ideas, no necesita encadenarse a lineamientos especificos. Lo que importa en el lenguaje cotidiano es la trasmisión de conceptos en forma simple y eficaz, no interesando mucho, si para ello se emplean mezclas de palabras de distintos idiomas, figuras por completar, sonidos, gestos, etc.

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